Please advise me if I have some misinformation here.
Haneefah
Adjusting: Adjusting was not a problem for me, my zawj or my daughter. Maybe because we wanted to come here so bad, we basically “fell in line with the locals.” My daughter was only one and a half when we made hijrah, so she just went with the flow. I absolutely love the liftstyle here, Tabaarakallaah. I would advise you to learn the laws and customs of the people before coming as it will help you to adjust and avoid trouble.
School: I had a hard time at first finding the right school for me. I needed a school with relatively early hours and short days to fit my daily schedule. After several months of looking, visiting this shcool and that school, trying out this tutor and that tutor, going back and forth, “Daarul Haafithaat al ‘Ishroon” is the school I decided to attend. The classes for sisters are only 4 days a week, 3 hours per day from Sat. – Tues. There are special Tafseer classes on Wed., for those who wish to attend. Adapting to this was not hard at all Alhamdulillaah.
Enrollment: Yes the enrollment at my school is fairly easy. No major paperwork, the tuition is cheap, no waiting list. They’ll allow you to pay as you go if you need time to get the money togehter.
Friendly Classmates: Very much so Alhamdulillaah. We see and help each other in and outside of class. Most of us (teachers and students) attend the same masjid and sit together at the varouis lectures and conferences. We visit each other’s homes as well.
Women Uncovering in School, Gatherings & the Like: Yes, for the most part, once we are at school, in each other’s homes, etc., we remove our ‘abaa-a. I never really understood why until coming here. There are a few reasons:
1. The overgarment/outer-cloak is just that – an “outer” cloak to be worn over the clothing. One sister I asked about it had a nice explanation. Some women in the West look at their ‘abaa-a as if it were their actual “clothing,” so they wear it as such. The women here look at it as if it were a “coat,” so they were it as such. Would you wear a “coat” in the house? No. So, they take their “coats” off and hang them on coat racks when they get to where they’re going if no men are present.
2. It is HOT here. Really akhawaat, you will not want to wear your ‘abaa-a once you get to where you are going. Trust me, the first thing you’ll want to do when you get inside is to remove those extra layers of sweaty clothing.
3. After dragging your ‘abaa-a through these bedawi streets, you will NOT want to wear them once you get to where you’re going. Some of the streets look like garbage dump sites and the odor will make you want to vomit, so when your clothes drag over all that, you are nothing short of grossed out and can’t wait to take them off. Yes the merits of dragging the ‘abaa-a are known, but there are some things lying on the ground that you just don’t want touching your clothing….ok my skin is crawling now…next topic!
Food: You can find all the food you like from the West here in Jeddah, even yummy Baskin Robbins. I basically cook the same meals that I prepared in the West like mashed potatoes, veggies and meatloaf, fried chicken, spaghetti, etc. Every now and then I’ll try something different, or we’ll order take out. We love to eat the food of the people, Saudis and non Saudis alike. The food is relatively cheap and very delicious. You’ll pay high prices at Western restaureants like Apple Bees. Fast food chains are kind of cheap. All the things that we are used to are basically available.
Socializing: I don’t socialize too much. When I do go out, I find the sisters are generally warm and welcoming. There’s lots to do here, you won’t get bored In Shaa Allaah.
‘Arabic: I studied some before making Hijrah. I’ve been here a little over a year and Alhamdulillaah my speaking and understanding has improved. I’ve learned that being shy of making mistakes does not help, it holds you back. My advice is to just try, try, try. Conversate as much as you can whenever you can. I have several books that I study from and they help me with everyday situations. The Madeenah books are good, but they don’t give you want you need first hand. I also listen to native speakers and observe their actions. I also have friends that are either ‘Arab or fluent in the language, so we conversate. When I learn a new word I look up other ways to say it in ‘Arabic. This broadens the vocabulary and has helped me tremendously. I understand the lessons of the scholars more because of this study tactic. Study Tafseer and Ahaadeeth, this will broaden your vocab as well. You can use lots of verses from the Quraan as well as statements from ahaadeeth in your everyday speech.
I read children’s ‘Arabic books with my daughter. I can’t tell you how my vocab has increased because of her books, Tabaarakallaah. My daughter is a busy body, so I have to constantly speak to her (do this, don’t do that, don’t touch that, it’s time for a bath, etc). Sometimes I realize (in mid sentence) that I don’t know a word, so I look it up immediately or jot it down so I won’t forget to look it up when I have free time. Once you learn a word in ‘Arabic, use it instead of Eng (even if the majority of your sentence is in Eng). I am not fluent in the language, but I’m working on getting there In Shaa Allaah. I hope these tips help.
Maids & Drivers: They come a dime a dozen. If you really need one, then khair, they aren’t hard to find and won’t cost you that much.
So long as your mahram is with you, you should not have a problem when it comes to a driver.
Toilet Paper: Na’am we have tp..lol. 16 pack combos, 2 ply, Charmin, whatever you need In Shaa Allaah. Not every facility will have it. So, if tp is a must for you I’d suggest you carry some with you at all times.
Haircare Products: Na’am. There’s some info under the girls only link.
Treatment of Women: Women are treated like gems for the most part. There are some people here with diseased hearts and will do some foul things though. We trust Allaah, keep to our du’aa and In Shaa Allaah we’ll be ok. Everything is qadarullaah.
Are we completely restricted from going out?: Not at all. The women here spoiled..really. There are tons of women only facilities and many positive things for us to do. In Shaa Allaah I’ll mention a few places another time.
Is it not safe there? There’s crime everywhere you go however, Saudi is overall safe and secure. You can see, and feel the peace here. No matter where you live, it is better to go out with your hubby or in a group. There are men called the Hayaa here. They patrol the streets in an effort to stop immoral crimes. The regular police are riding around all the time too. Really…I’ve never felt more at peace or had a real sense of security until I came here. Honestly, the police will more than likely stop you and ask for your iqaamah or passport before someone approaches you to harm you. To reiterate, yes there’s crime here, but it’s safer here than in the West in my humble opinion.
Witchcraft: Unfortunately some people do practice witchcraft. The police have been arresting magicians a lot lately. Most people who go to them for “help” are the ones who are sick and want to be cured by any means, even if it is haraam. I don’t know anyone who has been a victim of a spell Alhamdulillaah, but it does happen in the East. Don’t allow this to scare you. Nothing happens except by Allaah’s leave. Just safeguard yourself as much as possible (3 quls, aayatul Kursi, etc).
Can a woman have her own bank account? Let me get back to you with exact details.
Do you have ATM machines? Yes. There are many, many ATMs. You will not have a problem finding one here in Jeddah. – Wachovia Bank Users: If you plan to move to/visit KSA, call Wachovia and let them know first. They’ll authorize international usage of your card. This will help you avoid “security issues.” Also, make sure your card has the PLUS logo on the back or it may not work at the ATMs here. Alhamdulillaah the transaction fees are not that high. In the beginning I didn’t do any of these things and I could not get my money from the ATM.
Classes in Jeddah?
Fridays: Shaykh Mohammad al Malki’s classes are held on the residential Camp KAIA (King ‘Abdul ‘Azeez Int. Airport) at Masjid Baraa bin Malik. So long as you have the proper paper work you shouldn’t have a problem getting pass security.
The khutbah (in ‘Arabic first) begins at 12:30 – please don’t etch this time in stone as it is estimated. The Shaykh then translates his own khutbah into Eng., then gives a class from the book Ad Duroos al Muhimmah Li ‘Aammatil Ummah (just in Eng.) followed by Q/A on the topic if anyone has a question. After the class, food is served. I was told that the Shaykh gives other duroos in his Masjid during the week in ‘Arabic, but I don’t have a schedule for them. I heard they were after ‘Asr. Have your zawj confirm with the Shaykh In Shaa Allaah.
Friday Nights: Shaykh Abu ‘Aasim ‘Abdullaah al Ghamidee gives a dars on Shaykh ‘Uthaymeen’s Exp. of al ‘Aqeedatul Waasitiyyah. This class takes place after ‘Ishaa. I am not sure what time the adhaan is…maybe it’s around 7:40 PM. I will check and get back to you. Location – Hayy as Safaa – Masjid al Furqaan or al Faarooq (behind Sooq al Marjaan – some call it Sooq As Surrayn others say As Sireen). – In this same masjid are classes on Fri. after ‘Asr for brothers to learn Quraan. Allaahu Aa’lam if there are classes for sisters. I did not hear the Shaykh mention the women.
Sat. Nights: In the same masjid as Shaykh Abu ‘Aasim, Shaykh Fu’aad al Amree teaches Manaarus Sabeel and another book after ‘Ishaa.
The sisters have private classes with Shaykh al Ghamidee 2x’s a week I believe via telelink. My private tutor is a student of his, so I’ll ask her for the schedule. I believe the sisters gather in a house for this, but those who’d like to call in can do so. He was supposed to start sisters only classes on Pal Talk…I’ll ask about them and get back to you In Shaa Allaah.
On the last Thursday of every month Shaykh Muhammad al Madkhalee comes to Jeddah – Hayy al Jaami’ah at Masjid Ameerah al Hissah. He teaches from Maghrib to a little after ‘Ishaa. His classes are in ‘Arabic only.
As Salaamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi,
How do one get in Jeddah? How do you qualified. I now living in Egypt and would love to make hijrah there, insha’Allah. So, how do i get started?
Comment by ruqayyah4 — January 18, 2008 @ 10:04 am
AsSalaam Alaykum! I really enjoy the information you share with us. It helps us put away questions and fears so we can get ready for our own trips,Allumhumdullallah!! May ALLAH, bless you and your family in all that do and all that you attempt to do!Ameen!!
AsSalaam Alaykum!
Aqueelah
Comment by aqueelah — January 18, 2008 @ 9:28 pm
As salaamu ‘alaikum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh. In Shaa Allaah I will post some info on ways to come. May Allaah make it easy for you and your family ukhtee Ruqayyah, aameen.
I appreciate your du’aa ukhtee Aqueelah, wa jazaakillaahu khairaan.
I forgot to mention something about the ATM cards, if you have an account with Wachovia, you must have the VISA PLUS logo, not just the PLUS logo.
Haneefah
Comment by Desert Diaries — January 19, 2008 @ 10:49 am
as salamualaikum
my husband and i are interested in making hijrah. we think about it a lot. i wanted to how much would u have to save in order to make hijrah? my husband also wanted to know about teaching. what program would be best for him to study in order to teach overseas? any info u can give would be greatly appreciated.
as salamualaikum
yaminah
Comment by yaminah27701 — January 19, 2008 @ 3:37 pm
As Salaamu alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh,
Allahu Akbar! I was sent an email containing your diary entries and it is what I have been looking for. Al-hamdullilah. My husband and I have made our intention to perform Hajj for the very first time, with the permission of Allahu ta’ala this year. I would like to know how to get started if you can provide any information to us I would be grateful for it. Insha Allah ta’ala.
I really enjoyed reading about life in Jedda and now that I have a way to be informed of life over there from the view of someone who has lived in the West I plan to visit the diaries on a regular basis. Insha Allah ta’ala.
May Allah ta’ala reward you for providing us with such beneficial information. Ameen.
Love,
Qadirah
Comment by qadirah3 — January 20, 2008 @ 3:22 pm
As salaamu ‘alaikum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh. Ukhtee Yaminah, how big is your family? In Shaa Allaah I can give you an estimate based on that and Allaah Knows Best.
Bi idhnillaah, I will ask my zawj about employment opportunities, etc. for you and ukht Ruqayyah. He can answer better than I can since I do not work.
Ukhtee Qadirah, Tabaarakallaah your comment touched me. In Shaa Allaah I’ll send you some info as well. May Allaah bless you in that.
Uhibbukunna fee sabeelillaah.
Haneefah
Comment by Desert Diaries — January 20, 2008 @ 5:43 pm
Assalamualaikum wa rahmatullahi wabarakatuhu
How r u doing ukhti?
Im ummhatim from india and mashaallaah I read almost all ur mails
And masha’Allaah all ur mails have been beneficial Alhamdulillah. May Allaah reward you immensely ameen
Ive written to you personally but I think u haven’t recvd it no issues Insha’Allah may Allaah make it easy for all of us ameen
Okay ukhti now after reading all ur posts and esp ur blog on word press I wanted 2 discuss some things with u Insha’Allah if u don’t mind Insha’Allah
Ukhti im 20yrs old and im married Alhamdulillah and have 4mth old ibn. My zawj and I got married only coz we both want 2 study and shift soon 2 a Muslim land. First it was damaaj but now we want 2 shift soon 2 Saudi Insha’Allah
My zawj is desperately looking for a job. He is looking in IT/Education/Marketing.
He has an experience in all the fields Alhamdulillah and its our dream for our children to be brought up in a muslim land. India is not the same and subhanallah the fitna is 2 much these days
So its my zawj,my ummi,my ibn and myself wanting 2 shift there inshaallaah. My husband speaks to sheikh maliki many times and it’s our dream that our kids study under sheikh Rabee/sheikh fawzaan/ and all the scholars may Allaah preserve, protect each one of them ameen.
So pls let me know ukhti how can you help me out Insha’Allah. Do write 2 me.
May Allaah grant you and ur family jannah al firdaus ameen
Wassalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuhu ummhatim bint abdul latif,Bangalore,india
Comment by ummhatim — January 24, 2008 @ 3:09 pm
As salamualaikum
I currently have a family size of 5. We want to get out of this country to study so badly. I’ve been trying to look for an ESL course or something that my husband can take. But he hears that majority of the time, you need a degree because if they decided to fire you for any reason, its hard to find a job and therefore you would have to leave. He wants to be able to teach overseas and stay oversead instead of coming back to earn more money. Would you or your husband have any info to help us out.
p.s. my husband and i really like your husband’s blog :) mashaAllah
as salamualaikum
Comment by yaminah27701 — January 24, 2008 @ 4:32 pm
As salaamu ‘alaikum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh.
Umm Haatim, hayyaakillaah. I have a friend from India who may be able to help you. Alhamdulillaah her husband works in the computer field here in Jeddah. In Shaa Allaah I will ask her to assist you and post her reply as soon as I can.
Ukhtee Yaminah…your zawj can get hired with just an ESL cert, but it’s better to have a degree. Employers will talk about degrees, degrees degrees, but when they are short staffed (and they’re almost always are), they will hire you with just an ESL cert. I’ll Email you some info In Shaa Allaah.
How much to save to make Hijrah? It depends on the size of your family, your lifestyle, etc.. Let me go back and thumb through our expenditures to give you all some estimates In Shaa Allaah.
Hajj, ukhtee Qadirah, I can send you books on Hajj in the mail if you need them…let me know.
Ukhtee Ruqayyah, my neighbor is from Misr. Let me talk to her for you In Shaa Allaah. She has a medical background and may know of some job openings.
Haneefah
Comment by Desert Diaries — January 30, 2008 @ 6:02 pm
As salamualaikum
Thank you so much for responding to my post. InshaAllah whatever information you may have will be greatly appreciated. May Allah reward you with the best in this life and the next, Ameen
Yaminah
As salamualaikum
Comment by yaminah27701 — January 30, 2008 @ 6:26 pm
assalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuhu
Jazakallaah Khair ukhti Haneefa for replying
May Allaah reward u for answering all the sisters’ queries inspite of ur busy schedule ameen
do let me know abt the sister InshaAllaah
takecare ukhti
wassalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuhu
UmmHatim
Comment by ummhatim — February 2, 2008 @ 8:26 am
as salaamu alayki
Your post has given me some great information. May Allah reward you Ameen. I wanted to know if you can contact me via email I had some other questions that i would like to ask you personally.
Aaishah ummzhane
Philly, pa
Comment by ummzhane2 — February 2, 2008 @ 6:33 pm
hello friends.
i love jeddah because its a home town place.its like our house.lots of good places are there to see and its a cool place anywhere in the world we can never get.there are restaurants where we have a special dining such as al baik.if u just go in front of that we will get the smel of the fried chicken.so i like jeddah and we cant miss the place.
Comment by vineeth — November 28, 2008 @ 8:46 pm
hi all, plz can i live with 4500 ryale per month in jeddah,how is the living standar there?how much an appartement rent fees there?thank u
Comment by said — November 29, 2008 @ 6:56 pm
$4,500 SAR per mo. is ok if you are single and don’t require much.
Rent – it depends on your needs, lifestyle, family size, etc.
The standard of living is good, Alhamdulillaah.
In the news… “Saudi real estate companies are being forced to cut the sale price of new apartments and villas by 12 percent as a result of the global economic downturn.” – SaudiGazette.com and ArabianBusiness.com respectively.
Comment by Desert Diaries — February 11, 2009 @ 11:58 pm
Assalam Alaikum wa Ramatullahi wa Barakatuh
I would like to know sister where we can avail of a house and lot near the jeddah airport or any residential house, my son is a saudi citizen and where planning to buy a house in jeddah.
Hoping to received your reply soonest at your convenience.
Allah Hafiz,
Amna Shakil
Comment by amna shkil — March 15, 2009 @ 10:07 am
Wa ‘alaikumus salaam wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh. I can check the newspaper for you In Shaa Allaah. I’ll contact you when I have something.
Haneefah
Comment by Desert Diaries — March 19, 2009 @ 5:12 am
Assalamu Aliykum wa rahmatullah,
Jazakillah Khair for the information. Me and my husband will be moving to Jeddah this June inshaAllah. It would be nice to meet you sister who are living out there already. Do you live in a compound? Which ones are the most ‘practising’ ones? Is it better to live in a non-compound? Any help will be appreciated inshaAllah.
Jazakillah Khair
Umm Aiymaan
Comment by UmmAymaan — March 24, 2009 @ 4:39 pm
Wa ‘alaikumus salaam wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh. I’d love to meet you. E-mail me after you get settled.
No, I don’t live on a compound. Here’s some info for you and Amna… Life in Jeddah Part 3 FAQ
Baarakallaahu feekumaa.
Haneefah
Comment by Desert Diaries — March 28, 2009 @ 2:13 am
More on rent…
Comment by Desert Diaries — May 19, 2009 @ 12:42 pm
SAR 4,500 is not enough if you wish to save. it is enough to live though.
anything below 8,000 riyals will make you live a poor mans’ life. Otherwise every riyal will feel like a huge fortune and zero will be saved end of every month. 8,000 riyals and above per month, and you might have a chance to lead a modest life with healthy savings.
Jeddah doesn’t run according to the economic law of supply and demand. rents are skyrocketing, prices are almost similar to those in Dubai and Qatar. Land lords do not care if they are unable to have their rooms rented out even if it takes more than 10-15 years.
Comment by Majid — July 26, 2009 @ 12:11 pm
my fiance is now working at jeddah after 2 years He will be coming to the Philippines and we will get married..can I go with him back in Jeddah..is their are rules and restrictions allowing wife of an overseas workers to go with theri husbands living in jeddah? hope you can shed me some insights…
Comment by yovenn — August 22, 2009 @ 7:20 pm
Take a look at the Visa Requirements page under Family Visit Visas & Residence Visas for more info. I hope it works out for you.
Majid, jazaakallaahu khairan for your input.
Comment by Desert Diaries — August 24, 2009 @ 4:23 pm
Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatulahi wa barakatu Haneefah,
ZjazakAllahu ghairan for your information, but I am looking for some more. My family and I want to make hijra and I have been offered a job in Jeddah. The school asked me to tell them what I want for a payd packadge, but I have really no idea what I can ask. So I really like to know:
1. What would be a normal salary for a speech therapist taking a husband and 4 daughters with me, insja Allah.
2. What about the costs of housing (3 bedroom), can I ask them for a house, or a allowance for the rent?
3. And can I ask for school allowance for my daughters, if so, how much, what would be the cost of schools in Jeddah?
Insja Allah you can help me with this questions and put in a good packadge, insja Allah.
ZjazakAllahu gjairan for your help, injsa Allah.
Your sister in Islam, Monique/Maryam oem Donya from Holland.
Comment by Monique/Maryam — September 2, 2009 @ 10:09 pm
Wa ‘alaikumus salaam wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh. Dear sister, give me a day or two to reply In Shaa Allaah.
Billaahit tawfeeq!
Comment by Desert Diaries — September 19, 2009 @ 7:15 pm
Wa alaikumus salam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh.
Just came acroos your blog, Mashallah you have posted some very usefull information.And some very intresting points have been said. Although ive been here for two years, still taking time to adjust to things, But alhamdulillah settling in well.
Btw was just wondering if you have any information on good internationl schools in Jeddah? Any info will be greatly appreciated.
Jazakallah
Fatz
Comment by Fatima — October 4, 2009 @ 2:14 pm
Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatulahi wa barakatu dear sister Haneefah,
Sorry I did not react earlier, I was just waiting for your response. Did you find the time yet to answer my questions? ZjazakAllahu ghairan for your efforts, Monique/Maryam oem Donya from Holland.
Comment by Monique/Maryam — October 5, 2009 @ 11:11 am
Wa ‘alaikumus salaam wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh.
Oem Donya, (loving the name Donya by the way – smiles), I don’t know what a speech therapist makes. Take a look at Pay Scale, it’ll give you an idea of what to ask for. You can browse other web sites for more comparisons.
Housing: You most certainly can ask for housing or for a stipend (go with the stipend and pick out your own place). A three bedroom apt. will run you anywhere between 20 – 30,000 SAR per year (more or less depending on amenities).
School Allowance: Sorry, I can’t answer this question. Will your children attend the school in which you are to teach, or will they go elsewhere? Most international schools will put a dent in your pocket. The tahfeeth schools are much cheaper. I will post some info tonight for you and ukht Fatima…we’re on crunch time (school starts in 10 days).
Fatima, jazaakillaahu khairan. Just take it one day at a time. I’ve been here for a little over three years and am still feeling my way around. I still ask questions, jot down street names, landmarks and all. It’ll get easier In Shaa Allaah. Contact me anytime if you need help.
Haneefah
Comment by Desert Diaries — October 7, 2009 @ 5:28 pm